Interview with Dr. Kathryn Castle Professor, Chuck & Kim Watson Endowed Chair in Education, & Graduate Coordinator, School of Teaching and Curriculum Leadership, Oklahoma State University
Interview by Kimberly D. Cassidy, PhD Student, East Tennessee State University
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KDC: Can you share a bit about your background and what brought you into your profession?
KC: My first job at age 11 was babysitting. I became a child watcher even at that young age as I would continuously try to understand what children were thinking. As a young adult, I was a caregiver for my nephew during his early childhood. I observed him often including a time when he defied his mother and I tried to figure out why he did this: was it defiance or something else? Through my observations I concluded his desire for a certain sensory experience exceeded his fear of his mother’s reprimands. I write about this experience in my new book, Early Childhood Teacher Research. I have been a teacher all my life. The career direction I took was related to the culture of the times when I grew up plus the influence of many wonderful educators along the way. Growing up in the 50s and 60s gave women three career choices: housewife, nurse, or teacher. During my term as president of the high school medical club, I arranged a field trip to the local teaching hospital. Viewing the cadaver and passing around the organs were enough to convince me that the medical field was not for me! Today women have many more career opportunities than when I grew up.
I had a triple major in college: French, psychology and education. I was chosen from 150 students in my sophomore psychology class to join my professor Dr. Robert Weiss, in working in his social psychology lab as a research assistant where I worked for the duration of my college years. Although the focus of his work was on social learning theory (Hull) and not constructivisim, I learned a great deal from conducting experiments on college students wanting extra credit and writing up research reports under his supervision. My master’s program in educational psychology was steeped in behaviorism. So many things I learned in that program contradicted what I knew about children’s thinking. You could say I rebelled against behaviorism even though I completed my thesis research on young children’s concept identification that was published in the journal of Child Development.
I taught at all levels during my early career as an educator but was captivated most by the early childhood level. My fascination with children and their thinking motivated me to study constructivism in a doctoral program. My doctoral degree from the University of Virginia in 1975 was in Curriculum & Instruction: Early Childhood Education/Child Development and I did my dissertation research from a constructivist perspective on the topic of the relationship of peer interaction to young children’s role taking ability, a topic researched by Piaget. After obtaining an academic position at Oklahoma State University, I replicated the study and published it in the Journal of Genetic Psychology. The article was selected to be in the Piagetian Archives in Geneva, Switzerland.
I’ve been in my current position for 36 years where I am a professor and the Chuck and Kim Watson Endowed Chair in Education and serve as Graduate Coordinator for the School of Teaching and Curriculum Leadership. For half my career I taught and supervised undergraduate early childhood students/student teachers and graduate students. For the second half, I helped develop the graduate program in Curriculum Studies where I am today. My job primarily involves working with graduate students and doing research on teaching and learning.
KDC: Can you share information about your teaching -ideas on how to share, what makes it unique to you, how does it inform your research, how does it align with current trends in education and constructivist pedagogy / principles? Can you share about your research and about what began your interest in your research?
KC: My teaching, research, and service are all interconnected. Although my student evaluations are consistently very good, I am never content with my teaching and I never teach the same course in the same way twice. I have tried numerous teaching approaches to better engage students and provoke their thinking. Early in my career, I taught college students preparing to be early childhood teachers in similar ways to how I taught children using activity centers and project work in order to model for them. As teacher and student teacher supervisor, I involved my students in creating course objectives, assignments, and evaluation rubrics for the class. Students resisted strongly telling me that they thought I should just tell them what to do because that was what I was getting paid for! It was only at the end of their student teaching experience that some students began to understand the importance of their own active role in the direction of the course as they connected it to what they were attempting to do with children. These students had to negotiate a plan with their cooperating teachers for what they would do during their student teaching experience. I wrote about the various ways they undertook this negotiation in an article, Student Teacher Autonomy: Negotiation of Student Teaching Experiences (1991, Journal of Early Childhood Teacher Education).
Through study with Connie Kamii at one of her summer Piaget institutes and a sabbatical spent with Rheta DeVries in Houston and with the Project Construct teachers in Missouri, I learned about the importance of autonomy to knowledge construction and professional decision making. These experiences greatly influenced my subsequent teaching and research. I use case method in my classes to help students share perspectives, consider issues from multiple viewpoints, and problem solve within a safe, comfortable classroom atmosphere. I also encourage students to write their own cases based on issues in their own teaching experiences.
I use approaches drawn from Joyce and Weil’s Models of Teaching. I particularly like the Synectics model for encouraging creative problem solving. My classes involve much collaborative group work. Initially I spend time creating classroom community drawing from DeVries work on the meaning of classroom community. I have found that creating community early in the course results in more meaningful student learning, sharing of ideas, and risk taking. I have found the use of narrative writing to be most effective for students to realistically connect with course content. As van Manen (1991) said, “the writing is the research”. Autobiographical narrative and teacher narrative writing encourage student reflection and assimilation/accommodation of course content. I also conduct memory research with my graduate students in class. One of my classes produced a book of Memories of Early Schooling. I co-authored an article, Memories of Early Schooling, with one of the students involved in the project. This article was published in the Curriculum & Teaching Dialogue Journal, 2 (1), (2000), 20-25. Several of my students have published other assignments they did in my class.
My research efforts are closely tied to my teaching. I continue to use project work. For example, over the course of three semesters I studied how graduate students construct knowledge of constructivism in project work on a study of the moon through three lunar phases, similar to what Eleanor Duckworth wrote about in her book The Having of Wonderful Ideas. It was a fascinating study that really enhanced my students’ and my own learning. Analysis of the data helped me identify several phases students go through in constructing their knowledge of constructivism. I published this work in the 1997 Journal of Early Childhood Teacher Education, 18(1), 55-67. Most of my published work has been focused on how children and adults construct knowledge or on teaching for knowledge construction. For example, I had an eye-opening experience during one graduate class when I tried everything I knew to engage one of my students to no avail. I felt like a failure until I read her final paper that documented how she was trying her best to make sense of the class. She was not accustomed to being an active learner. She wrote about her application of the constructivist principles she was learning to her own work. It was a wonderful paper. We had been having a parallel monologue throughout the entire semester about the struggles each was undergoing in the class. I learned that student silence does not always indicate a lack of interest and noninvolvement in the course. The student and I co-authored an article, Silence, Culture, and Constructivism in which we document what happened and how we dealt with it and finally came together in our understanding (see the 2002 The Constructivist, 14(1), 21-26).
The theme of autonomy threads through my work. Kamii’s work on this topic has always inspired me to wonder how children and teachers develop autonomy. I have studied and written several articles on this topic including a poignant piece describing how second grade children and their teacher demonstrated autonomy in their reactions following the Oklahoma City bombing. On the day of the bombing teachers were told not to discuss it and to shield students from news coverage about it, so that some children returned home that day not knowing that their parent had been killed in the blast. The teacher I wrote about did what she thought was the morally right thing to do in discussing what happened with her students who had actually felt and heard the blast and wondered what terrible event had occurred and whether they would be safe. Over the course of a few weeks the children in this classroom channeled their energies and autonomy in making sense of the tragedy and doing things to benefit the survivors and the rescuers (see Children of the Heartland, 1996, Childhood Education, 72(4), 226-231). I grappled with the multiple meanings of the term autonomy and its constructivist meaning in an article, The Meaning of Autonomy in Early Childhood Teacher Education (Journal of Early Childhood Teacher Education, 25 (4), 3-10). I studied autonomy in children, student teachers, and teacher researchers. I created the designation of pedagogical researcher to get at the relationship of autonomy to teacher research (see Autonomy through Pedagogical Research, 2006, Teaching and Teacher Education, 22(8), 1094-1103).
Another theme in my teaching and research is the focus on teacher research. Years ago the Missouri Project Construct teachers impressed me with their ability to research their own teaching and its impact on student learning despite resistance from other teachers and in spite of mandates coming from the accountability movement. Gradually I realized that teacher research is very slowly and quietly reforming schooling from the inside. I decided to propose courses in teacher research in our graduate teacher education program. The proposed courses were approved and I have been teaching them for several years. I teach both master’s and doctoral level courses in teacher research. Students engage in reflection, questioning, literature review, and planning of their own teacher research studies. I have always done teacher research on my own teaching in order to improve it. I wondered if other early childhood teacher educators conducted their own teacher research and encouraged their students to learn about it and do it. I conducted a two-year study and am in the process of analyzing data. I surveyed and interviewed early childhood teacher educators about the extent to which they teach about, engage in, and do teacher research. I also did a review of the history of articles published in the Journal of Early Childhood Teacher Education. So far I have found that early childhood teacher educator teacher research is alive and well and that about one fifth of the content of the journal has been reports of this research. I have found increasing numbers of doctoral students conducting teacher research dissertations. One of my advisees, Dr. Sandra Bequette, received the National Association of Early Childhood Teacher Educators 2010 Outstanding Dissertation Award for her teacher research dissertation on kindergarten children’s math talk.
My most recent teaching and research efforts focus on using protocols in my own teaching. Protocols are ways groups, such as a graduate class, can collaboratively work together to have a structured conversation about an issue or about examples of student work and what it might mean. I became interested in using protocols when I became acquainted with the National Writing Project and its local affiliate in my university community. I am currently engaged in a two-year study of using protocols in my own teaching. From a constructivist perspective, protocols are simultaneously prescriptive, highly structured, and focused while they are also very freeing and transformative in how they open up thinking to new possibilities that would not occur otherwise. For example, in the courses I teach on teacher research, I have experienced the powerful effect of the Inquiry Circles protocol on enhancing the research questions students generate for their teacher research projects. Prior to engaging in the protocol, students’ teacher research questions tend to be rather broad, unwieldy, and not focused much on their own professional work. Students were merely coming up with research questions because it was a class assignment. Participation in the Inquiry Circles protocol transformed their questions into questions that were more realistic and much more focused on their own professional work. I think it is the narrative component of this protocol that makes such a big difference. They are asked to write and share a narrative of a time in their professional lives when they felt they made a difference and felt professionally strong. Focusing on what is positive about their work helps them find researchable questions worth exploring that will actually benefit their work.
KDC:Can you share about your service?
KC: I currently serve on three editorial boards and as a reviewer for six journals. I am a member of the NAEYC Steering Committee on Teacher Research and review for their teacher research journal, Voices of Practitioners. I just finished a two year term as a Governing Board member for the National Association of Early Childhood Teacher Educators. I serve on the Governing Board of the Association for Constructivist Teaching. I work informally in elementary schools with teachers who do teacher research. I serve as a mentor and assistant in all aspects of the research process.
- Castle, K. (2012). Early Childhood Teacher Research: From Questions to Results. New York: Routledge.
- Branscombe, A., Castle, K., Dorsey, A., Surbeck, E., & Taylor, J. (2003). Early Childhood Curriculum, A Constructivist Perspective, Boston: Houghton Mifflin.
- Branscombe, A., Castle, K., Dorsey, A., Surbeck, E., & Taylor, J. (2000). Early Childhood Education, A Constructivist Perspective, Boston: Houghton Mifflin.
- Castle, Kathryn. (1998). Cool Junk and Games Rule, two children’s books. Danbury, CT: Creative Thinkers, Inc.
- Swick, K. and Castle, K. (Eds.) (1986). Acting on What We Know: Guidelines for Developing Effective Programs for Young Children. Publication of the Southern Association on Children Under Six.
- Castle, Kathryn. (1982). The Infant and Toddler Handbook. Atlanta: Humanics.
Book Chapters and Peer Reviewed Journal Articles:
- Castle, Kathryn. (1981). A Language Model for Moral Development, chapter in Exploring Early Childhood Education: Theory and Practice, Margot Kaplan-Sanoff, (Ed.) MacMillan Co., pp. 276-285.
- Castle, Kathryn and Douglas B. Aichele (1994). Professional Development and Teacher Autonomy. Chapter 1 in 1994 National Council of Teachers of
- Mathematics Yearbook: Professional Development for Teachers of Mathematics. Reston, VA: NCTM.
- Castle, Kathryn. (2001). Student Teacher Autonomy, Elementary Education, in Encyclopedia of Mathematics Education, Louise S. Grinstein & Sally I. Lipsey, Editors, New York: Routledge Falmer, 693-696.
- Rollins, Howard and Kathryn Castle. (1973). Dimensional Preference Pertaining and Attention in Children’s Concept Identification, Child Development, 44, 363-366.
- Castle, Kathryn and Herbert Richards. (1979). Adult/Peer Interactions and Role Taking Ability Among Preschool Children, Journal of Genetic Psychology, October; Abstract in Resources in Education, November 1978.
- Grant, Kay and Castle, Kathryn. (1990). Theory to Practice: Student Teachers’ Construction of Knowledge. Journal of Early Childhood Teacher Education, #34, Vol. 11:1, pp. 13-14.
- Castle, Kathryn. (1990). Children’s Invented Games. Childhood Education, Vol. 67, #2, pp. 82-85.
- Castle, Kathryn and Meyer, Jane. (1991). Student Teacher Autonomy: Negotiation of Student Teaching Experiences. Journal of Early Childhood Teacher Education, #37, Vol. 12:1, p. 8. Also appeared in Positively Impacting Educational Practices Through Research, Proceedings of Oklahoma Education, Research Symposium VI, L. Ivey and N. O’Donnell (Eds.), May 3, 1991
- Castle, Kathryn and Rahhal, Kelly (1992). Moving Toward Developmentally Appropriate Practice in Primary Teaching.” Journal of Early Childhood Teacher Education #40, Vol. 13:1, pp. 3-6.
- Castle, Kathryn and Rogers, Karen (1993-94). Rule Creating in a Constructivist Classroom Community. Childhood Education, Vol. 70: 2, pp. 77-80.
- Castle, Kathryn. (1995). Forming Partnerships for Action Research, Journal of Early Childhood Teacher Education, 16(1), 18-20
- Castle, Kathryn, Beasley, Lori, & Skinner, Linda. (1996). Children of the Heartland, Childhood Education, Vol. 72, #4, 226-231.
- Castle, Kathryn. (1997). Constructing Knowledge of Constructivism, Journal of Early Childhood Teacher Education, 18 (1), 55-67.
- Castle, Kathryn. (1998). Children’s Rule Knowledge In Invented Games, Journal of Research In Childhood Education, 12 (2), 197-209.
- Castle, Kathryn and McKibben, Ana. (Spring, 2002). Silence, Culture and Constructivism. The Constructivist, 14 (1), 21-26.
- Castle, Kathryn and Ethridge, Elizabeth A. (2003). Urgently Needed: Autonomous Early Childhood Teacher Educators. Journal of Early Childhood Teacher Education, 24 (2), 111-118.
- Castle, Kathryn. (2004). The Meaning of Autonomy in Early Childhood Teacher Education. Journal of Early Childhood Teacher Education, 25 (4), 3-10.
- Castle, Kathryn. (2006). Autonomy through Pedagogical Research, Teaching and Teacher Education, 22 (8), 1094-1103.
- Brown, P., Castle, K., Rogers, K., Feuerhelm, K., & Chimblo, S. (2007). The Nature of Primary Teaching: Body, Space, Time, and Relationships. Journal of Early Childhood Teacher Education, 28(1), 3-16.
- Castle, Kathryn & Needham, J. (2007). First Graders’ Understanding of Measurement. Early Childhood Education Journal, 35(3), 215-221.
- Castle, Kathryn & Russell, Keri (2008). Honoring Children’s Mathematical Constructions. The Constructivist, 19(1).
- Castle, K., & Paris, C. (2010). Early Childhood Teacher Educator Teacher Research. Journal of Early Childhood Teacher Education, 31(3), 203-206.
- Ellis, C., & Castle, Kathryn. (2010). Teacher Research as Continuous Process Improvement. Quality Assurance in Education, 18(4), 271-285.
- Christine Chaille and Lory Britain, 1997, The Young Child as Scientist, 2nd Ed., New York: Longman.
- Anything written by Rheta DeVries (Programs of Early Education; Moral Classrooms, Moral Children)
- Anything written by Connie Kamii (Young Children Reinvent Arithmetic series)
- Jean Piaget’s The Moral Judgment of the Child, 1965, New York: The Free Press.
- Piaget’s article: Causality, or How Do We Interpret the Phenomena of the World?, Seventh Conversation in Jean-Claude Bringuier’s Conversations with Jean Piaget, 1980, Chicago: University of Chicago Press.
- Max van Manen’s Researching Lived Experiences, 1990, New York: State University of New York Press.